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tacloban,leyte

Post by captmitchell11 » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:54 pm

tacloban,leyte 2 navy planes crash landed after dark ,my father was driving a signal corps jeep and was asked to provide lights for landing
one plane carrying a pilot and gunner overshot the runway and hit some parked vehicles ,he pulled them both to safety and was awarded the
SOLDIERS MEDAL,any clues as to what carrier these planes were from? he never talked about the war much he landed on new guinea,leyte, and luzon
this was i believe oct 22,1944.he was co a 442 heavy signal construction bttn

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by diddyriddick » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:57 pm

There were about 30 carriers involved in Leyte at that time. Did your Dad say why the plane landed at Tacloban? Based on the date of the 22nd, my guess would be that it was probably forced down by mechanical problems. A crew of two indicates that it was probably either an SBD Dauntless or an SB2C Helldiver, either way that likely eliminates the CVEs.

So....That would limit it to:

CVs:
Wasp
Hornet
Hancock
Intrepid
Essex
Lexington
Franklin
Enterprise


CVLs:
Cowpens
Monterey
Independence
Cabot
Princeton
Langley
San Jacinto
Belleau Wood

Other than that, there's not much to go on, but I'll see what I can come up with.

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by diddyriddick » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:42 pm

Ok...I've whittled it down a bit....Wasp, Hornet, Hancock, Cowpens and Monterey were in John McCain’s Task Force 38.1 which was sent to Ulithi on the 22nd, so those are unlikely.

CVs:
Intrepid(VA-75)
Essex
Lexington
Franklin
Enterprise


CVLs:
Independence
Cabot
Princeton
Langley
San Jacinto
Belleau Wood

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by captmitchell11 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:14 pm

Thank-you date may have been 24 Oct
44 I have original citation will double check

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by danny900 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:33 am

At Tacloban, Leyte. P.I.; San Marcelino, Luzon Badly damaged the plane crash landed in the water about ten miles from Kavieng alongside the mangroves of Manne Island , near Albatross Channel. The plane, broken up, lies in 12m of water on a silty bottom. The Turret guns and flexible mounted tail gun are still in Place.
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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by diddyriddick » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:13 am

captmitchell11 wrote:Thank-you date may have been 24 Oct
44 I have original citation will double check
That could narrow the search dramatically. USS Princeton was sunk off Leyte on the 24th. I know that she had fighters airborne, but they had a crew of one. It is possible that she had bombers returning from strikes or scouting. Moreover, she didn't sink immediately; she may have been able to launch her remaining planes before the catastrophic explosion that destroyed her. The enclosed pic shows here on her shakedown cruise with SBDs (no folded wings)parked aft.

I'll continue to dig....

http://www.historynet.com/eyewitness-to ... eature.htm

http://www.ninesisters.com/princeton.htm

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by captmitchell11 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:18 pm

Confirmed 24 Oct thanks

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by captmitchell11 » Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:02 pm

i have been digging a little myself the princeton had 10 torpedo bombers and 23 fighters have been in touch with princeton survivors group
awaiting info thanks for your help

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Re: tacloban,leyte

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by diddyriddick » Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:35 pm

diddyriddick wrote:This might help, too.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/USN-ref.html
Also....Be careful. The ship in Leyte Gulf on October 24 was CVL-23. There was a later Princeton called CV-37.

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by diddyriddick » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:10 pm

captmitchell11 wrote:i have been digging a little myself the princeton had 10 torpedo bombers and 23 fighters have been in touch with princeton survivors group
awaiting info thanks for your help
This is troubling for a couple of reasons. In the photo above from her shakedown cruise, Princeton is not carrying torpedo bombers, but rather dive bombers. Secondly, you cited a crew of 2 which further indicates dive bombers-Torpedo planes had a crew of 3.

Anything is possible, but it is confusing.

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by diddyriddick » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:33 pm

diddyriddick wrote:
captmitchell11 wrote:i have been digging a little myself the princeton had 10 torpedo bombers and 23 fighters have been in touch with princeton survivors group
awaiting info thanks for your help
This is troubling for a couple of reasons. In the photo above from her shakedown cruise, Princeton is not carrying torpedo bombers, but rather dive bombers. Secondly, you cited a crew of 2 which further indicates dive bombers-Torpedo planes had a crew of 3.

Anything is possible, but it is confusing.
Ok. You are correct. Sometime between shakedown and Leyte, all the CVLs converted from SBD Dauntless Dive Bomber to the TBM/TBF Avenger torpedo bomber. But there is still the problem of 3 crew members.

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by diddyriddick » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:21 pm

diddyriddick wrote:
diddyriddick wrote:
captmitchell11 wrote:i have been digging a little myself the princeton had 10 torpedo bombers and 23 fighters have been in touch with princeton survivors group
awaiting info thanks for your help
This is troubling for a couple of reasons. In the photo above from her shakedown cruise, Princeton is not carrying torpedo bombers, but rather dive bombers. Secondly, you cited a crew of 2 which further indicates dive bombers-Torpedo planes had a crew of 3.

Anything is possible, but it is confusing.
Ok. You are correct. Sometime between shakedown and Leyte, all the CVLs converted from SBD Dauntless Dive Bomber to the TBM/TBF Avenger torpedo bomber. But there is still the problem of 3 crew members.
Ok. The torpedo squadron embarked on Princeton was VT-27-Lt. Commander S.M. Haley commanding. They had 9 TBM1-Cs.

However, the more I think of it, the crew of two screams dive-bomber which leads back to the CVs, not the CVLs.

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Re: tacloban,leyteto

Post by captmitchell11 » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:26 pm

My dad never talked about it much but he did say the gunner said "don't forget me sarge" Gerald astor mentioned 2 planes force landing at tacloban in one of his books on this night , I believe dive bomber also
Maybe they were caught out after dark and the carriers were afraid to turn on lights ,thank-you for your help

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Re: tacloban,leyte

Post by captmitchell11 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:37 pm

Have eliminated the enterprise squadrons still digging

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